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April 05, 2005

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Dan Landau

Comment on editorial hold. ~tgom

Dan has some 'splainin' to do.

tallglassofmilk

Dan, You dropped by on the last post re: illegal immigrants, but left my twice asked question unaswered.

For the third time, "Why you feel illegal immigrants should have more rights than citizens?"

Let's get past this before we give you any more commenting priveges, eh?

jaws

tgom--

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the super-lax policy towards illegal immigrants that NYC takes. In a nutshell, police and other officials are prohibited from asking anyone their immigration status.

It's a big deal in the area, or so I've learned since moving out here to Long Island. I'm not that close to the city, but there are mucho imigrantes illegales out here, and there's currently a debate taking place about whether or not to give the county police the pemission/ability to enforce immigration laws.

I believe Michelle Malkin also has a post up on this story today (and the NYC policy).

tallglassofmilk

Oh yeah. Lived there quite some time and as you know, now live in Mexifornia where problem is same.

My question you understand re: the deportation is a joke as is everything having to do with U.S. immigration policy and enforcement.

I think this is one of the main reasons I, Michelle Malkin, et. al. take such issue with our nation's politicians on this... They don't empower our state and local governments with the authority or resources they need to take care of a problem they have allowed to develop.

jaws

Immigration law as it currently stands is such a joke. The Federal Gov't just turns a blind eye to the whole thing. I'm in agreement with you, Michelle Malkin and the rest of the crowd who are unhappy with Washington over this.

It bothers me greatly that there are so many illegals around where I live. Some just hang out on the street corners looking for day labor. I'm sure Mexifornia is much worse though.

I also see all these illegals and the benefits they derive from the Gov't as a major slap in the face to all those who came to the country legally. The legal immigrants waited in lines, and went through all the paperwork (and other hassles) so that they could be here. The kid-glove treatment we give illegals is an insult and an affront to those who came here legally.

hot_tamale

Maybe you should check out the NYTimes article that came out a few days ago that says undocumented workers contribute 7 billion to social security annually that they will NEVER get back. The reality, is that illegal immigration is what keeps food and other goods cheap.

Moreover, you act as if everyone is treated the same when they try to legally come to this country. In reality, your country of origin decides how difficult it will be to come here. Many people want to play by the rules but the govt is so inefficient, that many people decide to take their chances.

Just last year an INS worker in OC destroyed thousands of applications of people "playing by the rules" because his backlog was so big, and he didn't want to do his job. Stuff like this happens and discourages people from doing the right thing. Its not like most of these people have an abundance of opportunities in their own country.

tallglassofmilk

Actually, the reality seems that a) based on one post you assume what information I have or have not read, you give unsolicited advice on your incorrect summation and that that makes you an ass; and b) you can't add: 7 billion dollars wouldn't even cover California's expenses, which incurs approx. $10.5 billion in expenses to cover costs of services to illegals. When you add on the other states as well as federal expenses, 7 billion isn't gonna cover it. Are you prepared to fork over the difference?

The reality also is that this country has millions of people whose identity and background are unknown to the government. Do you share Dan's perspective that illegal immigrants should have more rights that citizens and legal immigrants?

Furthermore, if you'd read any of my previous posts on the subject, you'd already know that I'm well aware of our government's inefficiency and ineffectiveness in this area. This is the main reason I'm doing my part to raise awareness. Glad you stopped by for enlightenment.

[Its not like most of these people have an abundance of opportunities in their own country.]

Right. Which is why so many come here. Why should some be made to follow the rules and some be allowed to freely live of our resources? Once again, for everyone who comes her to defend illegal immigration, my question is this...

WHY THE FUCK SHOULD PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES BE AFFORDED MORE RIGHTS AND BENEFITS FROM U.S. RESOURCES THAN ITS OWN CITIZENS AND LEGAL ALIENS?

I have yet to get any answer--let alone an acceptable one--on this from anyone.

Moze

[SHOULD PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES BE AFFORDED MORE RIGHTS AND BENEFITS FROM U.S. RESOURCES THAN ITS OWN CITIZENS AND LEGAL ALIENS?]

No.

The U.S. Government should not extend benefits to illegal aliens.

As for rights, our founding documents, chiefly the Declaration of Independence, state that governments aren't in a position to dole them out.

The fact that we must include "rights" in this question is evidence that our government has over-stepped its roll.

Illegal Immigration Supporters avoid this question by tossing out economic- and process-fairness complaints. If they answered honestly, the debate would be over.

Cheers,

Wombat

Quote [ But he suggested his case was not a priority.] right...

On another note I have a friend who owns and runs a construction company in Texas. During a conversation about illegals from south of the border he made this comment

Quote [Mate if they caught and deported all the illegals here in Texas, the construction industry would grind to a screaming halt! who the fuck else will do all the shitty dangerous jobs for quarter the wage Americans would work for? And who the fuck is gonna drive all the taxis?] Unquote
Chuckles..ah Texans ya have to love them eh

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