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October 29, 2004

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greg

Greg, it appears you have no real convictions about your argument here. Please come back if you have a valid email. My apologies to the other commenters who have responded to this... bogus comment deleted by ~tgom.

Matt

George Bush is the best recruiting tool Osama bin Laden has. We need someone who understands that fighting terrorism requires more than just military action. As long as we continue to bomb Muslim civilians indiscriminantly, they will continue to fail to see the difference between us and Al Qaeda. That is why terrorism is primarily a law enforcement issue, and requires war against states only when their complicity with the very same terrorists who have attacked us has been proven. Iraq fails this test. Until our government's actions match the sincerity of our motives, we will only continue to fuel the cycle of violence.

Petr

[Sounds to me as though Osama has a keen understanding of the Electoral College, and that he plans to pick targets on a state-by-state basis, presumably on the basis of how a State's citizens vote next Tuesday.]

Or he has a keen understanding that US policy in the middle east does not change with the presidency - it is integral to US policy.

B.C.
George Bush is the best recruiting tool Osama bin Laden has. We need someone who understands that fighting terrorism requires more than just military action.

It seems that Bin Liner didn't have much problem recruiting members while Slick Willie, The White House Rapist™, was busily staining dresses in the Oral Office. Next debunked meme?

As long as we continue to bomb Muslim civilians indiscriminantly, they will continue to fail to see the difference between us and Al Qaeda.

Care to give some links to verifiable sources as to this "indiscriminate bombing"? (Note the correct spelling, moron.)

That is why terrorism is primarily a law enforcement issue,...

Just like the aforementioned Arkansas Philanderer's successful policy of treating it as a "law enforcement issue" prevented the embassy bombings, Khobar Towers, USS Cole and 9/11. You're not even coming close to hitting any of the pitches, son. Maybe if you open your eyes, stop swinging blindly & quit drinking the tainted KoolAid that Qerry is serving, you'd be able to hit one off a tee.

...and requires war against states only when their complicity with the very same terrorists who have attacked us has been proven.

Sod'em Insane wasn't deposed because of any supposed involvement in 9/11, lackwit. He was, indeed, a sponsor of international terrorists, but that was only one of the many reasons for the Coalition of the Willing™ going in and enforcing the 17 or so UN Resolutions that were passed over the course of 12+ years. (There's also the little matter of him breaking the cease-fire terms [NOT an armistice] for 12+ years, after having agreed to the terms after the first Gulf War. [Which DID pass Qerry's little "global test", and he STILL voted against it, BTW. heheheh]) C'mon, boy, yer not even tryin' here.

Iraq fails this test.

And you've obviously failed every history test that you've ever been given.

Until our government's actions match the sincerity of our motives, we will only continue to fuel the cycle of violence.

I'd say that our "actions" pretty much "match the sincerity" of our stated "motives". You attack our country, fail to live up to your end of a cease-fire agreement or support terrorists, you're on our Shit List™ and your days are numbered. As to your Idiotarian-indoctrinated "cycle of violence" little meme, we're more than capable of ending said "cycle of violence", if the 7th Century Savages™ don't heed the warnings and join us in the 21st century and stop attacking us and our friends.

Remember, our little KoolAid-stained-lipped friend, we haven't even begun to show what we're capable of doing....

Now, be a nice Donk and just go back to watching Farfromtrue 9/11 and wishing you were in Mickey Mooron's limo.


SlagleRock

Get some BC, Show the leftist nitwits what's up!

SlagleRock Out!

Moze

I thought I'd check in tonight and see what I could do about the inevitable shite storm.

I would have replied to some of your comments, but B.C. rebutted every contrarion comment in his usual sleeves-rolled-up, lead-filled baseball bat way. Frankly, after the Imperial Torturer has entered the room and conducted some Thorough Clock-Cleaning™, there's really nothing more to say...

While I'd never presume to speak on her behalf, I think I can safely say the Tall One welcomes all comments (providing, of course, you've got the onions to give a valid email/website address).

Fortunately, not all of tgom's readers tolerate the more innane comments of Luddite donks.

Thanks again, B.C.

Cheers,

Michael Dabioch

By "state", Bin Laden meant "country" or "nation" and not one of the American states. Just thought I would clarify.

On the whole I agree that Bush needs to be re-elected for many reasons that I won't go into here.

jay

Bush is the best thing ever to happen for OBL. Not only was he allowed to get away with murdering three thousand Americans on our own soil, but he was able to get Bush to remove a long time enemy and open the gates to Iraq and the rest of the secular middle east. Why...it wouldn't suprise me if OBL was one of Bush's biggest doners.

Oh...wait...he is....like father like son.

Thankfully this traitorous coward will be sent packing in a couple of months....like father....like son.

Aaron
"Even if you remove him, fundamentialist terrorism will not go away until the US takes a long look at it's interventionalist policies in the Middle East."
Time to wake up, kid: US interventionist (not interventionalist) policy in the Middle East is the only thing that keeps the fundamentalists *back*. Without intervention, they'd reshape the whole region totally in their image.

Like that Hitler guy. Remember him, and how much success we had making everybody happy with non-intervention?

My God, the lunatics are swarming.

Moze

[By "state", Bin Laden meant "country" or "nation" and not one of the American states. Just thought I would clarify.]

I've examined the partial translation of the video as broadcast with Al Jazeera talking head commentary. Videos and statements by Islamic radicals are difficult, at best, to interpret, so I have given your interpretation considerable thought.

While you can interpret "state" as "country or nation," here's why you shouldn't.

First, Bin Laden's rhetoric is more conversational in this speech. When his message targets sympathetic Muslims, his speech is poetic, echoing Koranic verses. Contrast bin Laden's normal rhetoric with this speech. This speech's conversational tone is clearly crafted to make the message palatable to the American mind.

Second, the context of the statement intensely personal. Bin Laden engages the American citizen with advise about how he/she should regard personal security. To jump from this microspection of individual, American security to a statement about the policies of Nations is more of a leap than I am comfortable making.

Whether you interpret "state" as "a State in the United States" or as "a Nation," bin Laden's message is still a transparent attempt to influence the election.

Cheers,

Michael Dabioch

"Whether you interpret "state" as "a State in the United States" or as "a Nation," bin Laden's message is still a transparent attempt to influence the election."

I absolutely agree with that assertion.

On the other question of "state", I'm still convinced he meant "country" but I suppose it doesn't really matter.

Michael K Pate

Actually, it does matter what he meant, Michael. And he meant state as in state rather than state as in nation.

B.C.

Bin Liner meant "state", as in "separate entities", not "country".

Using the term "ay wilaya" (pronounced "ayee wee-lie-ya") would mean "each state" or "any state". If he had used "dowlah", it would have meant "country".

If the rest of the tape had been aired, it would have shown Bin Liner bemoaning the fact that his Jumpin' Jihadis have been getting their asses handed to them by the US military since 9/11. Hence, all the Goat Raping Camel Fellator could muster was a half-assed video instead of a spectacular terrorist attack before the elections.

Remember that when you go to pull the KoolAid lever for Al Qerryda and his Boy Toy sidekick, Rob'em.

Moze

"ay wilaya" vs. "dowlah"

I'll trust the right-to-left stuff to folks who have a whole lot more linguistic background than me…

Thanks for throwing that bone our way, B.C.

Cheers,

Allan

Did anyone but me think old OBL looked rather gaunt and a bit unhappy. The climate (hotter) must not agree with him.

I especially liked the way he linked his hatred of America with his Jew hatred. Of course, he didn't bother to explain why Muslim extremists are killing innocents in Kosovo, Liberia, Algeria, Sudan, Thailand, Malaysia, Kashmir, and several other places in the world having nothing with either America or Israel.

Leave it to leftists appeasers to project their own guilt onto their own country.

Dabioch

Alright, I don't speak Arabic but here's the quote from the Al Jazeera site in English:

"Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential candidate John] Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

How can a Arkansas "harm" their security? States (in the U.S) do not have their own armies. States, as in countries, do. Spain was attacked for that reason. Canada was on the hit-list because they have troops in Afghanistan, etc. The UK is on the list because they're in Iraq. You're reading too much into this. Al-Qaida is out to scare any country that participates in the war on terror. They are not paying attention to the electoral college. Sigh.

B.C.

Jeebus, Dabioch. Even AQ's own web sites have said that he meant the "states" that vote for Bush. Did you even click the link to the MEMRI article?

I'll take the word of actual Middle Eastern experts and scholars (most of them natives, BTW) who keep an eye on the region and who are much more fluent and "nuanced" in the language than you. (Or I, for that matter. Even though I was an Arabic linguist for almost 10 years. Just FYI. Nothing more. Nothing less, my friend. ;) )

Allan

Am I alone in believing that these tapes and videos should not be shown on television? We keep hearing how they may contain hidden messages to cells here and elsewhere, but they are gleefully shown as soon as they are received. On the other hand, the beheading videos are never shown. I wonder why???

In addition, how difficult would it be to do a reverse trace on whoever drops off these missives to al Jazeera and convince him/her to reveal its source. Find that source, convince him/her to reveal their source and so on right back to...whoopee! el terroristo himself!

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