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August 23, 2004

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Moze

[In 1993, Saudi Arabia's supreme religious authority declared that the world is flat, and that anyone who disagrees is an infidel to be punished.]

If this is true, the statement "peace will come only upon the completion of global conquest," should read "peace will come only upon the completion of global stupidity."

Cheers,

jeff

if you want to check out some cool violence... see the books of exodus and revelations!!!

tallglassofmilk

Indeed I have. Which current atrocities are being attributed to these books? Or, what was your point?

jeff

1. judeo-christian theology is as violent and archaic as islam's (or at least on par)
2. history is rife with atrocities committed in the name of, or inspired by, religion
3. the vast majority of muslims don't practice the kind of islam espoused by al qaeda...

tallglassofmilk

[1. judeo-christian theology is as violent and archaic as islam's (or at least on par)]

Really? Perhaps. But again I ask, what modern atrocities are currently being attributed to the judeo-christian theology?

[2. history is rife with atrocities committed in the name of, or inspired by, religion]

Thank you Zen Master of the Obvious.

[3. the vast majority of muslims don't practice the kind of islam espoused by al qaeda...]

Hmmm. Not so sure about that. Don't you find the lack condemnation by the majority of Muslims curious? Many theories on that, not the least of which is that the peaceful muslims remain quiet about the radicals because at they end of the day they have the same goal, the globalization of Islam.

Come on now Jeff. You can do better than that.

Moze

Jeff... I have been where you are on the question of a peacable Islam. I have known peace-loving Muslims. Be aware that engaging the tall one in honest debate on this subject may lead to a change of mind.

Cheers,

tallglassofmilk

Jeff is incapable of honest debate on this topic because he is unwilling to admit that the possibility exists that all "true believers" (read: muslims) want to achieve the globalization of Islam.

He will spin it back on me claiming that I believe all muslims strive for the globalization of Islam, some believe in peaceful measures, some believe by any means necessary, including evil (read:murder). And he'd almost be right. Because when "peaceful" Islam doesn't speak up against "evil" Islam one isn't left with many alternate conclusions to draw.

But, as Jeff knows, my ultimate goal is the truth and in pursuit of that truth--and seeking high and low--I have found exceptions. And when I find them I mention them like I did on this post and this post and this one.

So, Jeff can try to spin it by attempting to turn the focus to judeo-christian philosophy (as if that excuses Islam) and by saying that I think all of Islam is evil.

But the fact is that in my opinion there are peaceful followers of Islam who value human life over global theocracy.

Now, whether or not this makes them true muslims... well, I'll leave that one up to Allah.

Moze

What struck me most about Jeff's comments was his willingness to wrap the Bible (Exodus and Revelations), Judeo-Christian theology, and religion generally into one big bundle and throw the lot under the bus.

Ordinarilly, I walk away from such a conversation. Remember what I told you about skunks? But in the interest of fostering dialog, I thought I'd give it a shot...

Cheers,

tallglassofmilk

[What struck me most about Jeff's comments was his willingness to wrap the Bible (Exodus and Revelations), Judeo-Christian theology, and religion generally into one big bundle and throw the lot under the bus.]

It's called going off topic cause you can't make your argument. I believe the discussion is about the peacefulness, or lack thereof, of Islam, not Judaism or Christianity.

[Ordinarily, I walk away from such a conversation. Remember what I told you about skunks?]

Yeah well, the fact that Jeff sits next to me all day every day pretty much prevents me from walking away and assures that I get sprayed every day.

So I appreciate your assistance with the airing out of the stench.

Moze

Hmmmm. Fragrant gift ideas...

Cheers,

Peter

Jeff's argument is essentially irrelevent. It doesn't matter how many Muslims are perfectly nice people. There were a whole LOT of Germans who were appalled at the Nazis, so what? All it takes us enough bad guys in positions of power and the war is on. The fact that individuals don't want the war doesn't matter. Bush is trying hard to keep this a War On Terror rather than a clash of civilisations. I give him credit for that, I also give him a chance of about one in four or five.
The odds are real good that, within ten or so years it will be all out war between Islam and Western civilisation whether we like it or not, and we won't. I suspect we'll have alliances that seem outlandish on their face, mainland China for instance. India. Russia. Those are the frontline countries, along with parts of Europe.
It only takes one side wanting war to have a war.

LC NeilV

Amazing how intolerant the left is of Christian belifes,yet so understanding of the "religon of Peace".
They are walking towards Dhimmitude and dont even get it all.
I know that all the hordes of christian suicide bombers are coming any day now.
I know that there are some zealots in all faiths that can be scary ,but the muslims seem to have an instution of violence that has to be beaten.
I never hear condemnation of evil deeds..
There are no easy answers to the problem .
One thing is certin as long as they want to try we have no choice, but to be proactive, premptive,and ruthless in our application of force.
This will be a long war..

jeremyb

Another dumb ass comment removed by the tgom.

halfemptyglass

Dumb ass comment or opposing viewpoint that cuts a little close, I'm betting on the latter.

tallglassofmilk

There are plenty of opposing viewpoints here... obviously you are new.

Comments from commenters who don't leave a valid email or url are deleted. Period. So... you lose that bet.

I'll leave your dumb ass comment so maybe you and the rest of the dumb asses can comprehend the policy here.

tina

Came across this site by accident but stayed to review the argument.

Im an ordinary person sitting in an ordinary house in the north east of england. I buy my bread and pay my taxes like anyone else.

Never mind bleeding hearts- give them 500 pounds of Sheffield Steel up their arses and shut them up once and for all. They are not willing to fight for their own freedom never mind respect ours. They control and dishonour women with their blatant sexism, think nothing of teaching their children to hate and would blame the world and its dog before accepting responsibility for their actions. If REAL peace loving pious muslims would care to stand shoulder to shoulder with me to condemn and protest against what is being done in YOUR name I would support you all along WHERE ARE YOUR PROTESTATIONS?Instead I see veiled women sitting on Blackpool Beach- the epitomy of kiss me quick and fish and chips "protected" by a man wearing a dress in case of glances from "lecherous" englishmen. Its time to make your stand.

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