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June 02, 2004

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Moze

There they go again, the ACLU has got another lip-lock on the first amendment. Certainly, it’s not an overt grope. Neither LA County nor the ACLU are Congress, and any kind of agreement they might strike about the County seal probably wouldn’t qualify as a “law.” Nevertheless, this is clearly an attack on the free exercise of religion. I’m pleased that Knabe and Anotovich voted to keep the seal intact. But it looks like a done deal—or at least like another shameless back-seat hickey in the making.

Cheers,

alysa

Cross? What cross? I don't see a cr - oh wait, now I see it.

Tony Rosen

"1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Funny, I read that as ONLY Congress shall make no law ... latidatidah ...

It doesn't say you can't recognize historical truths of origin.

Moze

“…historical truths of origin.”

According to whom? Clearly not the person who designed the seal. To be sure, this is not about “historical truths of origin.” To argue there is a better representation of Southern California history than the Cross is not only disingenuous, it’s wrong.

This issue arose out of the fact that the person who designed the seal included a Cross, a symbol of Christianity, and the ACLU has a hard-on for Christianity—not religion generally, just Christianity. If the ACLU had objected to “religion,” they would have pressured LA County to remove not only the Cross, but also Pomona (pagan), and the Bull (Hindu). Of course there is another symbol of Christianity in the seal, but apparently the ACLU stooges who pressed this issue are so secularist that they can’t see it. Further, there is a symbol in the seal that is quasi-religious, but, again, the ACLU doesn’t seem too concerned about that either.

The ACLU is eating the Elephant that is the US Constitution one bite at a time. Yea, the first amendment says, “Congress shall make no law…” And you’re right, there’s nothing in the first amendment to prohibit an ACLU objection to a Cross on a California County seal, which makes this a ‘Why does a dog lick his nuts?’ proposition—the fact that you can do something doesn’t make it a good idea... Unless, of course, your design is to immerse the USA in secularism.

Cheers,

Tony Rosen

Which is what I said ... I'm just not as long winded while I'm at work reading these things .. LOL

Pat

This is rich! Fortunately we do not (yet) have these discussions here in Germany. The only argument we had at the courts lately were about crosses on the wall in public school's classroom
and the wearing of Head-scarves for female Muslim teachers.
The first one is still going in circles, but many Germans would agree, that a cross may not be the right decoration in the classroom of a state financed public school. Funny enough that the cross became much more visible in those classrooms where it was take away, because the place behind the cross over the years has been brighter than the rest of the wall and schools usually denied instant painting of the walls for budgetary reasons.
As to Muslim scarves, the rule is clear: they are not a simple religious expression like waering a cross or a star of david on your jacket or on a chain, but they do also have a demeaning conotation in reference to femal rights and thus have been banised from schools, if state law rules so.

I'll try to feed in some information crumbs from good old Europe, now and then....

Cheerio

Amy

You know, if they're going to get rid of a cross that's simply a reference to history, then they should probably erase all reference to religion in the history books too. All religions, since that's what the law specifies. Hey, suddenly there's not much left in the history books, what do you know!

tallglassofmilk

Well, Amy, I hate to be the one to tell you, but they've already begun...

Education researcher says textbooks being rewritten to exclude role of religion in American

tallglassofmilk

More proof...

Ben Shapiro: Brainwashed : How Universities Indoctrinate America's Youth

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