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May 11, 2004



this is so sad we need to stand up to are GOV. and take charge and do something about this. this make's nude picture's look like a walk in the park we wouldn't have to worry about any one being killed if we sent our troops home. how could they care about an American life if they don't respect themselves and they show how much respect they have for themselves every time they strap a bomb on there bodies and even kill there own race how stupid do we need to be BUSH send are guys & girls home stop this maddens


[1) The point of the "stay out of others' affairs" thing is that the terrorists would still want to kill us. How hard is that to understand? They're not after us because we interfered with something. They're after us because they think they're on a sacred mission to eliminate the West. We can either kill them all, or appease them by killing ourselves. Take your pick.]

Eliminate the west? I think not. Some may say so but there are people in the US who would even want to nuke everybody else. So what. But even suppose you are right, then ask, why do even those few want to eliminate the West? Never heard of eliminating the East, or eliminating Africa. Hmm... Wonder why. Might it have something to do with West's subjugation of the whole area under previously colonial and now political and economic control? Might it have something to do with this neocolonial adventure called Iraq? Hmm...

I assure you even Jihadists do not have such good spirits to go stir up enemies where there are none. Just answer me why they say they want to "eliminate the West" if you are so well versed in Jihadist ideology.

[2) I don't understand how asking what the U.S. should do is relevant to dealing with terrorists who are willing to knock down buildings because they disagree with us.]

Because of something called a standard, because you obviously don't think you are a hypocrite. You accept how the US deals with disagreements for, must be some good reason. Then apply the same reason to another case should be easy for you.

[3) So you admit that we have to deal with the threat, but you still think we should "stay out of others' affairs?" That's some doubleplusgood thinking there.]

Minding one's own business is the best way to deal with risks incurred by not doing so. It is quadrupleplusgood thinking if you ever learn it.

[Plan B is to make them realize that if they threaten us, they will die. Maybe there will be less people willing to become terrorists if they know that they might not even live long enough to blow themselves up.]

So now you want to find every potential terrorist? I thought this "War on Terror" is already long enough at eternity (f***, how can terror be defeated? it's a concept.) Now you claim you can read minds of what people want to blow themselves up. I am speechless. Or might you just blow them all up? Is that how it ought to work?

[Appeasement doesn't work. Study a bit of history if you don't believe that.]

So, not blowing people up is equal to appeasement now? What black and white cowdung you've inherited from dear leader.

The American tactics are only "humane" because it uses more advanced weapons to kill... So a beheading means those people are subhuman. You probably don't think dropping a bomb on innocent civilians means anything though. So it is the method of killing that makes the difference. I am sure the Jihadists will learn fast about that....


rb - You still fail to provide a viable alternative to the way we are alredy handling things. Please go ahead anytime...

Your ignorance of the motivations of radical Islamic terrorists is astounding and your desire to still defend them shameful. I'm afraid the REAL adacemics you've been learning from have failed you miserably.

Quesiton for you... If you think that the terrorists should be left alone to do what they do. Logic would only dictate that you also think we should be left alone to do what we do. What then exactly, in your flawed way of thinking, is your problem with what we are doing?

One thing I might actually agree with you on is this...

[It's always been the same unsafe world. Except that people in the US finally has come to (or is forced to) realize this. Deal with that.]

Perhaps. But in any case, it's ON now. Time to play cowboys and muslim terrorists. Deal with that.


Reminder, as always, Drink this... requires valid email or blog addresses on comments. I have left the the latest entries from rb a.k.a. rbb for continuity's sake since there were already responses. Any future comments which use bogus emails will be deleted.


I was absolutely ENRAGED when I saw this video footage of this innocent American's life being taken in such a sadistic nature. Truly this is not a justifiable act no matter what those bastards say. Bush apologized for what our soldiers did with their prisoners. DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET AN APOLOGY FROM THEM?! I don't think so. It's time to reunite our nation go over there, KICK ASS AND TAKE NAMES! It doesn't surprise me that they could do something like this because some people are just pure EVIL. There will be no forgiving about this action. God may forgive them, but I am NOT God. It's time to go and "Justify" their action. I, as an American, would fight them to the last man with no remorse, beheading everyone of those FUCKERS! That made a HUGE statement as to what kind of so called "people" they are. For Nick's life, God Bless his soul, we will take 20 of their COWARDICE MURDERING BARBARIANS LIVES! I as an American am ready to fight fire with fire and everyone else should be right with me!


You folks do realize that appx 80-90% of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were innocent? That this abuse and torture has been going on there since November? That similar situations are occurring in other US "prisons" in Iraq and Afghanistan? That this act by Al Qaeda isn't a response to the abuse, but to the fact that the US would not negotiate the release of hostages in Abu Ghraib.

I'm not outraged by this, I'm sickened. You all are outraged by this, but we've killed thousands of innocent Iraqi's in our war.

A war unrelated to terrorism, until now. We're the ones who invaded Iraq, and now we are paying the price.

Apparently, your hearts only go out to people if they are Americans. Pathetic.

TJ Thompson

It's sad that I can look on this board after watching what those piles of feces did to Nick Berg and still find people who defend their actions. Ok, the prison scandel sucks. But, our military discovered it way back in January, brought it to attention, and began the steps necessary to deal with it. It was being taken care of. It still is, only it got a tad harder when every liberal bleeding heart sympathizer got hold of the issue. I believe in Freedom and thus I believe those pieces of trash have the freedom to die a slow, horrible death. I believe in the freedome of the terrorist sympathizers on this board to run to Iraq...go on, just run on over there...and discuss their bleeding hearts with those terrorists. Maybe you'll get lucky and be left with a head so you can come tell us alllll about it. Geesh.


i just watched the video and to tell you the truth,
as disturbing as it is, i find the psychological, physical and sexual abuses of abu ghraib to be more offensive than this execution. he (berg) was made a hero by this, a martyr, all the iraqi's from abu ghraib got from their torture was humiliation and scorn. the video testifies to the terrorists agenda , that they will stop at nothing to keep coalition forces out of "their" affairs. too bad about abu ghraib, it is a real can of worms. bushs lame apology does nothing and lack sincerity (one should never need to be asked for an apology)we are in too deep.


People so often state that we (the US) should not meddle in other nations affairs. They think we should turn our eyes away from what it going on in this world. I suppose if we'd done that during Hitler's rise to power we'd all be speaking German right now. We could ignore what So-damn-insane was doing in Iraq, but there's a few million people over there that are glad we didn't.
I don't know what to tell these people who just want to blame us for everything. People like rb and chris are probably the same type of people who would crawl under their covers and ignore some guy beating his wife to death upstairs. They'd probably see a man abusing his child and decide right there the man probably has a lot of stress in his life and maybe just needs to be talked to. The point is...if you see a wrong, you interfere. You meddle. You try to fix the situation.
Bin Laden, al-Queda, Saddam hussein, the idiots of Faluja, hamas, the palestinians, the radical islamists....These are all wrongs and it is our moral duty to help rid the world of these wrongs. We just haven't meddled enough yet.


"Apparently, your hearts only go out to people if they are Americans. Pathetic."

My heart goes out to the victims and their families of..................

The attack on the U.S.S. Cole

The PanAm 103 bombing over Lockerbie Scotland

Saddam Hussein & sons regime

The bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut Lebanon

The first U.S. Trade center bombing

The bombing of the Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia

The bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

The bombing of the Historic synagogue in Tunisia

The bombings in Karachi, Pakistan

The nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia

The bombings in Casablanca, Morocco

The bombing at the Marriott in Jakarta, Indonesia

The bombings at the synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey

The bombings in Madrid, Spain

The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

The LaBelle disco bombing Berlin, Germany

The Rhein-Main airbase bombing Frankfurt, Germany

The hijacking of TWA flight 847

The hijacking of Egyptair 648

The hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruise liner

The bombing of the U.S. Embassy Annex Kuwait City, Kuwait

The U.S. Embassy bombings in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

The U.S. Embassy takeover Tehran, Iran

The kidnapping of 18 Americans, Lebanon

The bombing of TWA flight 840 Athens, Greece

The grenade and gun massacres at the airports in Rome, Italy and Vienna, Austria

I could go on for a long time. These are but a few in the long list of terrorist activity around the world. In some cases they were directed at Americans, but even then, such as the U.S. Embassys, there were probably local nationals working there as well.

Terrorism knows no bounds. Terrorists operate on an "eye for an eye" philosophy with their "revenge" extracting a much greater toll than what they are taking revenge on. The gruesome beheadings of Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg are just 2 examples of that.

And just in case you don't remember, there were people from all over the world in the Trade Towers and the planes who died. Not just Americans.


tallglassofmilk, saw that you visited my blog last night and thought I would check yours out. There sure are a lot of different arguments going on here. I do not wish to start another, I just ask that you look at another possibility than no one has even mentioned here. Lets think rationally, using our minds not our hearts. It is easy to feel rage toward the people that did the killing, but understanding why they did it and who set it up is much more important. This man was held by Military Intelligence for 13 days! No lawyer, no phone calls, and as of late no explanation of why. Within 24 hours of his release he is being beheaded by al-Qaida. Doesn't anyone else smell something fishy here? Not to mention all of this coming on the heels of the Abu Ghraib torture photos. This is an all too common tactic. Problem, reaction, solution. Rather than go on and on in this comments section I ask you all to research this issue yourselves. You can start with the post I wrote in my blog last night and contnue using the links in the right hand typelist. Take nothing I say as the truth. Examine the available information and revelations will follow.

I just wanted to make one other point. Why when Saddam tortures is it BAD, but when we do it it's GOOD? Regardless of the motive, the same action is soliciting two very different responses. This is classic Orwellian double think! Check yourselves!


Sadly, these "humans" are everywhere, not just the middle east. They will not be happy until you, your family and your dog meet with the same fate as Mr. Berg. I don't claim to be a prophet, but don't blow your load of anger right now. This I'm sure is the first of what will be unfortunately many of the same. They're just getting started folks. Is it me, or is there others that see the end of mankind as we know it?


It utterly baffles me how pacifists and appeasers who portray themselves as liberal or academically advanced people can view this and find anything that is defensible about the actions of these animals. It has nothing to do with us being in their country. The leader of this group is not even Iraqi. It has everything to do with a mindset of radicalism within a religious body much the same as the anti-abortionists can justify killing Doctors. These people have their goals set on killing all the (infidels) that don't prescribe to their thoughts or beliefs. These people can NOT be negotiated with. Their goal is to erradicate Western Society that is non Muslim. What would you negotiate with these people instead of a complete irradication 50%? The only negotiations these people understand is a grain on lead hurled at them at 3200 ft/sec. The United States has a goal and most Iraqis share that goal, even the ones the liberal media interviewed and showed on television agree. Our methods may not be perfect, BUT they are much better than these animals use. They should be hunted down and publically executed in a manor similar to the ones they use. Perhaps then the fear of death in a humiliating public way might overcome their fanaticism.

Cavallino Rampante

it's funny how rb uses the old "well you kill em with bombs" defense. difference here homeboy, we aren't TRYING to kill innocent civilians. those backwards cocksuckers and their antiquated religion can't get along long enough to form a government that could buy an M16, much less a clusterbomb.

you can't argue history. open your book sometime and try to find all the peaceful and progressive societies that Islam has produced....


There is evil in this world. It rears it's head in the form of serial killers, sadists, child abusers and terrorists(murderors). It serves only one purpose and it can be delt with only one way. Pure evil (the killer)gathers ignorant followers (assistants) to spread it's self-serving, warped justicification to murder in the name of God.

Mark Hosea

Let's get down to the bottom line. It's either going to be them or us. I would prefer it be us.


It appears that I'm not as smart as the rest of you, so I'll ask questions rather than make highly educated statements.Why is the US bound by the "Geneva Convention" but no one else seems to be? How long before we see sandflea(muslim)heads in the US start rolling in retalliation?


Elaines post:
“The American tactics are only "humane" because it uses more advanced weapons to kill... So a beheading means those people are subhuman. You probably don't think dropping a bomb on innocent civilians means anything though. So it is the method of killing that makes the difference. I am sure the Jihadists will learn fast about that....”

I suppose your vast military background (personally, I only served 6 years) allows you to insinuate that the US deliberately drops bombs on innocent civilians. To say that civilians won’t become casualties in war is incredibly naive. We use technology to minimize the unfortunate deaths of civilians.

“neocolonial adventure” – your intelligence and insight are truly staggering.

Taken as a whole, your post comes close to sounding like you support the “punishment” dealt to Mr. Berg.

“Never heard of eliminating the East, or eliminating Africa.” – Africa or the East never took a stand to help defend Israel. They can’t even feed themselves, much less take action against groups of nations wanting to overrun one and exterminate its citizens. Do you see anything wrong with that scenario?

Elaine, I will gladly start a charity drive to buy you a one way ticket to Iraq where you can show your love for those you probably call poor, opprossed souls (most of us refer to them as terrorists). Before they murder you because of your beliefs/nationality, you can tell them what a bunch of murdering bastards the Americans are.


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well the proof is in the pooding - scum floats to the top and muslims r scum and evil .Berg was not a soldier and was working in in iraq for pay of course but not to kill people. Now out militery is wrong for mistreating the muslim scum but didnt behead them. U tell me if they should be considered human. a rose is a rose by any other name I will not forget that.God Bless Berg and hope the beheaders sleep good tonite.Prase allah and praise the usa


If you're wondering why people are pissed off at us read this.
May 10, 2004

The Israeli Torture Template
Rape, Feces and Urine-Dipped Cloth Sacks

With mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, one only needs to examine the record of abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israel to understand what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meant, when referring to new, yet to be released photos and videos, he said, "if these images are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse."

According to a political appointee within the Bush administration and U.S. intelligence sources, the interrogators at Abu Ghraib included a number of Arabic-speaking Israelis who also helped U.S. interrogators develop the "R2I" (Resistance to Interrogation) techniques. Many of the torture methods were developed by the Israelis over many years of interrogating Arab prisoners on the occupied West Bank and in Israel itself.

Clues about worse photos and videos of abuse may be found in Israeli files about similar abuse of Palestinian and other Arab prisoners. In March 2000, a lawyer for a Lebanese prisoner kidnapped in 1994 by the Israelis in Lebanon claimed that his client had been subjected to torture, including rape. The type of compensation offered by Rumsfeld in his testimony has its roots in cases of Israeli torture of Arabs. In the case of the Lebanese man, said to have been raped by his Israeli captors, his lawyer demanded compensation of $1.47 million. The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel documented the types of torture meted out on Arab prisoners. Many of the tactics coincide with those contained in the Taguba report: beatings and prolonged periods handcuffed to furniture. In an article in the December 1998 issue of The Progressive, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb reported on the treatment given to a 23-year old Palestinian held on "administrative detention." The prisoner was "cuffed behind a chair 17 hours a day for 120 days . . . [he] had his head covered with a sack, which was often dipped in urine or feces. Guards played loud music right next to his ears and frequently taunted him with threats of physical and sexual violence." If additional photos and videos document such practices, the Bush administration and the American people have, indeed, "seen nothing yet."

Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence services, it is noteworthy that one, John Israel, who was identified in the report as being employed by both CACI International of Arlington, Virginia, and Titan, Inc., of San Diego, may not have even been a U.S. citizen. The Taguba report states that Israel did not have a security clearance, a requirement for employment as an interrogator for CACI. According to CACI's web site, "a Top Secret Clearance (TS) that is current and US citizenship" are required for CACI interrogators working in Iraq. In addition, CACI requires that its interrogators "have at least two years experience as a military policeman or similar type of law enforcement/intelligence agency whereby the individual utilized interviewing techniques."

Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. Because U.S. citizenship and documentation thereof are requirements for a U.S. security clearance, Israeli citizens would not be permitted to hold a Top Secret clearance. However, dual U.S.-Israeli citizens could have satisfied Pentagon requirements that interrogators hold U.S. citizenship and a Top Secret clearance. Although the Taguba report refers twice to Israel as an employee of Titan, the company claims he is one of their sub-contractors. CACI stated that one of the men listed in the report "is not and never has been a CACI employee" without providing more detail. A U.S. intelligence source revealed that in the world of intelligence "carve out" subcontracts such confusion is often the case with "plausible deniability" being a foremost concern.

In fact, the Taguba report does reference the presence of non-U.S. and non-Iraqi interrogators at Abu Ghraib. The report states, "In general, US civilian contract personnel (Titan Corporation, CACI, etc), third country nationals, and local contractors do not appear to be properly supervised within the detention facility at Abu Ghraib."

The Pentagon is clearly concerned about the outing of the Taguba report and its references to CACI, Titan, and third country nationals, which could permanently damage U.S. relations with Arab and Islamic nations. The Pentagon's angst may explain why the Taguba report is classified Secret No Foreign Dissemination.

The leak of the Taguba report was so radioactive, Daniel R. Dunn, the Information Assurance Officer for Douglas Feith's Office of the Under Secretary of Defense, Policy (Policy Automation Services Security Team), sent a May 6, 2004, For Official Use Only Urgent E-mail to Pentagon staffers stating, "THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS REPORT IS CLASSIFIED; DO NOT GO TO FOX NEWS TO READ OR OBTAIN A COPY." Considering Feith's close ties to the Israelis, such a reaction by his top computer security officer, a Certified Information System Security Professional (CISSP), is understandable, although considering the fact that CISSPs are to act on behalf of the public good, it is also regrettable..

The reference to "third country nationals" in a report that restricts its dissemination to U.S. coalition partners (Great Britain, Poland, Italy, etc.) is another indication of the possible involvement of Israelis in the interrogation of Iraqi prisoners. Knowledge that the U.S. may have been using Israeli interrogators could have severely fractured the Bush administration's tenuous "coalition of the willing' in Iraq. General Taguba's findings were transmitted to the Coalition Forces Land Component Command on March 9, 2004, just six days before the Spanish general election, one that the opposition anti-Iraq war Socialists won. The Spanish ultimately withdrew their forces from Iraq.

During his testimony before the Senate Armed Service Committee, Rumsfeld was pressed upon by Senator John McCain about the role of the private contractors in the interrogations and abuse. McCain asked Rumsfeld four pertinent questions, ". . . who was in charge? What agency or private contractor was in charge of the interrogations? Did they have authority over the guards? And what were the instructions that they gave to the guards?"

When Rumsfeld had problems answering McCain's question, Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Central Command, said there were 37 contract interrogators used in Abu Ghraib. The two named contractors, CACI and Titan, have close ties to the Israeli military and technology communities. Last January 14, after Provost Marshal General of the Army, Major General Donald Ryder, had already uncovered abuse at Abu Ghraib, CACI's President and CEO, Dr. J.P. (Jack) London was receiving the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah's Albert Einstein Technology award at the Jerusalem City Hall, with right-wing Likud politician Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and ultra-Orthodox United Torah Judaism party Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in attendance. Oddly, CACI waited until February 2 to publicly announce the award in a press release. CACI has also received grants from U.S.-Israeli bi-national foundations.

Titan also has had close connections to Israeli interests. After his stint as CIA Director, James Woolsey served as a Titan director. Woolsey is an architect of America's Iraq policy and the chief proponent of and lobbyist for Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. An adviser to the neo-conservative Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs, Project for the New American Century, Center for Security Policy, Freedom House, and Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, Woolsey is close to Stephen Cambone, the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a key person in the chain of command who would have not only known about the torture tactics used by U.S. and Israeli interrogators in Iraq but who would have also approved them. Cambone was associated with the Project for the New American Century and is viewed as a member of Rumsfeld's neo-conservative "cabal" within the Pentagon.

Another person considered by Pentagon insiders to have been knowledgeable about the treatment of Iraqi prisoners is U.S. Army Col. Steven Bucci, a Green Beret and Rumsfeld's military assistant and chief traffic cop for the information flow to the Defense Secretary. According to Pentagon insiders, Bucci was involved in the direction of a special covert operations unit composed of former U.S. special operations personnel who answered to the Pentagon rather than the CIA's Special Activities Division, the agency's own paramilitary group. The Pentagon group included Arabic linguists and former members of the Green Berets and Delta Force who operated covertly in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Uzbekistan. Titan also uses linguists trained in the languages (Arabic, Dari, Farsi, Pashto, Urdu, and Tajik) of those same countries. It is not known if a link exists between Rumsfeld's covert operations unit and Titan's covert operations linguists.

Another Titan employee named in the Taguba report is Adel L. Nakhla. Nakhla is a name common among Egypt's Coptic Christian community, however, it is not known if Adel Nakhla is either an Egyptian-American or a national of Egypt. A CACI employee identified in the report, Steven Stephanowicz, is referred to as "Stefanowicz" in a number of articles on the prison abuse. Stefanowicz is the spelling used by Joe Ryan, another CACI employee assigned with Stefanowicz to Abu Ghraib. Ryan is a radio personality on KSTP, a conservative radio station in Minneapolis, who maintained a daily log of his activities in Iraq on the radio's web site before it was taken down. Ryan indicated that Stefanowicz (or Stephanowicz) continued to hold his interrogation job in Iraq even though General Taguba recommended he lose his security clearance and be terminated for the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

In an even more bizarre twist, the Philadelphia Daily News identified a former expatriate public relations specialist for the government of South Australia in Adelaide named Steve Stefanowicz as possibly being the same person identified in the Taguba report. In 2000, Stefanowicz, who grew up in the Philadelphia and Allentown areas, left for Australia. On September 16, 2001, he was quoted by the Sunday Mail of Adelaide on the 911 attacks. He said of the attacks, "It was one of the most incredible and most devastating things I have ever seen. I have been in constant contact with my family and friends in the US and the mood was very solemn and quiet. But this is progressing into anger." Stefanowicz returned to the United States and volunteered for the Navy in a reserve status. His mother told the Allentown Morning Call in April 2002 that Stefanowicz was stationed somewhere in the Middle East but did not know where because of what Stefanowicz said was "security concerns." His mother told the Philadelphia Daily News that her son was in Iraq but she knew nothing about his current status.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates."


I wanted to give another side to the story that neo-cons overlook. I am in no way condoning Nick's murder. He was an innocent person, AFAIK, who got caught up in this. May God give his family the patience to deal with this.


The earliest thing cited in this article is from what 1994?

Newsflash: Muhammed preached "When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads" long enough ago that it made it into the Quran...

What's the first edition print date on that?


So azeez,whats your point? How many camel jockeys were beheaded?


I have sympathy for the troubles in irag and the middle east,,i feel very sorry for the good people who only want this conflict resolved
iraqis, americans the world,,,but you have to draw the line,,,,man thats some fucked shit.......but how can we look at these people
in a humanitarian way?,,,,we give them all this
cash and what do they do,,,,bitch and complain
about how they can beat their wives,,,
I agree with the ignorance of americans,,me being
canadian i find myself more like americans everyday.......but its common knowledge that spare the rod spoil the child,,,,,,,,,so wtf,,,they expect this amazing treatment,,when they blow our shit up,,,,kill thousands of innocents?,.,,,,there has to be a line draw,,,and people need to stop[ bitching and accept it and deal with it,,,,,,,,,,,,how can iraqis expect us to treat them good,, when they drag civilians through the street praising what they have done,,,,,fight fire with fire...


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