Outrage over the beheading of this...

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Patiently waiting (but not holding breathe) for outrage coverage of outrage to pop up over this...

Video Shows Beheading of American in Iraq
AP - May 11, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq, and said the execution was carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers. [the rest of this...]

Click this to watch/download the video.  *** WARNING:  EXTREMELY GRAPHIC FOOTAGE *** Rated  MS-17 - Must see if over 17***

These people think nothing of avenging less than a handful of abuses with a be-heading?  But people want to question our military's detainment and interrogation procedures. 

Newsflash:  When you're dealing with savages, you have to speak savage language or the the meaning gets lost in translation.

It's unfortunate that a few of the cases of abuse went a little too far and may or may not have violated the Geneva Convention dependant upon whom you ask and the characterization of the prisoners abused.

Now I'm not normally one to excuse bad behavior by pointing to worse behavior, but seriously people, it's not like they were lining up innocent men, women and children and executing them...

But, still the media continues to sensationalize the abuses, insistent on putting our soldiers and citizens in further danger--which has obviously now begun to manifest.   

Even more unfortunate pathetic is the fact that the President of the United States and his Secretary of Defense be obliged to make insincere, pathetic apologies for "alleged" acts of abuse by our own military against detained prisoners before any trial! 

An apology was not necessary at this time--and weakened us in the enemies' eyes.  What was necessary was an indication of intent to investigate, which was given.  (By the way, what happened to innocent before proven guilty and why is the word alleged missing from the majority of the media reports...?)

Appropriately quoting this...

To inquire if and where we made mistakes is not to apologize. War is replete with mistakes because it is full of improvisations. In war we are always doing something for the first time. It would be a miracle if what we improvised under the stress of war should be perfect.
~ Admiral Hyman Rickover

Update:  This is a must see video also!

Comments

[maura]

ogrish.com has the video. i don't think i can watch it.

[King of Fools]

I watched it...and truly wish I hadn't.

[Joefish]

ditto for me, but watching it really puts the prisoner abuse photos in perspective, Nick would love to be treated like those in the photos were as opposed to the brutal end he met with. To do that to another human being, no care, without remorse, it's quite staggering and testifies to the honorless nature of the Jihadists. A Jew wrote recently, "there will never be peace in the Middle East until they [Islamists] start loving thier children more than they hate ours."

[deltabravo]

I watched it, the unedited version. Trying to put it out of my mind. Truly disturbing. Lost in translation? Yep, quid pro quo doesn't tranlsate in phlegm inflected arabic.

[rb]

First we were fighting to defend against WMD
Then we were fighting because Saddam was a tyrant.
Then we were fighting for "freedom" and "democracy".

And now we are fighting to avenge the death of a businessman who flew over to Iraq on his OWN volition and ended up beheaded......

Nope, still doesn't make any sense......

[rb]

"In war we are always doing something for the first time."

Like the Holocaust yes?

[rb]

"He looked at it as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it," -- Berg's Father

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the US administration to exchange this hostage with some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib and they refused.

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way. How can a free Muslim sleep well as he sees Islam slaughtered and its dignity bleeding, and the pictures of shame and the news of the devilish scorn of the people of Islam - men and women - in the prison of Abu Ghraib?" -- Berg's killers.

"Can there be anything more tragic than this?" -- Mayor of Berg's home town.

Yes, tragic. There is no "right" to be found here. From ANY angle.

[william]

This is not the first--nor unfortunately the last--ritual "slaughter" in the name of Allah. You are right on-point: the media would rather equate nude photos of Iraquis as holocaust-level abuse than dare start to question and analyze the religious war we find ourselves fighting

[tallglassofmilk]

So rb, you have yet to tell me and my readers your solution to this problem... you seem to think terrorists should be appeased. Can we send them to visit you...?

If you have a better idea on how we should be fighting terrorism, do enlighten us... If not, shut the fuck up and stay off my site.

Sorry readers - I have finally tired of the lurking troll who seems to hate my views but can't bring itself to stay away from my site defend the terrorists...

[rb]

"If you have a better idea on how we should be fighting terrorism, do enlighten us... If not, shut the fuck up and stay off my site."

If I left your readership would drop by 75%! Besides, I've challenged you, but when have I been personally abusive! I've had to add posts because there is no EDIT function.

In any case, have you noticed that everytime you meddle in the affairs of foreign states to serve your own interests "terrorists" seem to just pop up as if from nowhere!

The solution is simple.

1.Stay out of others affairs. Try to build political consensus against those you disagree with. It's slow and you may not always get your own way. In that case, tough.

2.Accept that others live on this planet and that they may (shock horror!) DISAGREE with you! I'm sick and bloody tired of listening to Americans whinging about their "security" whilst bombing the shit out of poor people halfway around the world.

YOU ARE IN NEXT TO NO DANGER!

The nearest you will ever come to a "terrorist" is some CHRISTIAN white guy with a stash of guns hiding in a shed in Arizona. FACT.

[Donna]

Last night I went off in my Journal after viewing part of the video. I was in a state for many hours and even today I am still sick to my stomach. I haven't felt such anger and sadness in quite a long time.

[tallglassofmilk]

rb - thanks for exposing yourself as an ignoramus and saving me the trouble.

Clearly you understand nothing about the Islamic religious fanatics--not hard to understand considering you are an atheist. Just because you don't believe in a God doesn't mean others don't.

3,000 people who used to work in the WTC thought they were in no danger too.

[CD]

I seem to be a bit late to this party, but I have to add my thoughts:

1.Stay out of others affairs. Try to build political consensus against those you disagree with.

We tried that. We found out that they wanted to kill us anyway. In fact, they killed 3,000 of us because we ignored the threat.

2.Accept that others live on this planet and that they may (shock horror!) DISAGREE with you!

Disagreeing with us is fine. Murdering us because we're "infidels" is not fine. You do realize that thoughts lead to actions, right?

And finally...

YOU ARE IN NEXT TO NO DANGER!

Nope, none whatsoever.

It's not the same world anymore. Deal with it.

[Kathy K]

Has nothing to do with being atheist, agnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Wiccan, or whatever, tallglassofmilk. Has much more to do with actually being willing to look, with an open mind, at the beliefs of the religous fanatics. And judge them.

[Marc]

"rb".
In your statement ("Try to build political consensus against those you disagree with.") its easy to conclude that you would be in favor of the US working with the UN to find solutions to the worlds problems. If could you please answer these questions?

How much faith does an organization deserve that was complicit in the deaths of thousands thru the Oil for food program?

How much respect for human rights does the UN display by promoting the sex for hire trade, and UN sanctioned sex parties in Kosovo?

Of course to have a successful "sex for hire" trade you have to open many branches so the UN expanded operations to Africa to include "sexual exploitation and sexual abuse of civilians, including minors, by its personnel in the northeastern town of Bunia."

So "rb" (lower case very appropriate considering the mentality involved) ... Please explain where is the correct place to "build political consensus?"

BTW thanks for the trackback to my post. And was very pleased to find you are a NASCAR fan. Your welcome to stop over to my racing blog, Full Throttle, if you get tired of "rb's" nonsense!

[tallglassofmilk]

Kathy K - Normally I would wholeheartedly agree with you, but in rb's case, the things that have been posted here repeatedly show a lack of knowledge about religion which I attributed, perhaps incorrectly, to a lack of and closed-mindedness towards faith in general.

[rbb]

My two cents:

(1.Stay out of others affairs. Try to build political consensus against those you disagree with.
We tried that. We found out that they wanted to kill us anyway. In fact, they killed 3,000 of us because we ignored the threat.)

Nope, never tried that. Check again. The idea is to "stay out of others' affairs." Success in seeking out terrorists is an entirely different matter than success in staying out of others' affairs.

[2.Accept that others live on this planet and that they may (shock horror!) DISAGREE with you!
Disagreeing with us is fine. Murdering us because we're "infidels" is not fine. You do realize that thoughts lead to actions, right?]

And... so... what should the US do when it disagrees with other???

[And finally...
3. YOU ARE IN NEXT TO NO DANGER!
Nope, none whatsoever.
It's not the same world anymore. Deal with it.]

Wrong. It's always been the same unsafe world. Except that people in the US finally has come to (or is forced to) realize this. Deal with that.

[rbb]

...and that actions have consequences, that no country, even the most powerful one, can do as it pleases without some amount of retrospection. Maybe terrorists cannot be reasoned with. Fine. But they also cannot be eliminated. Where is a cause, there will be recruits. Better think about Plan B.

[CD]

rbb, I'll try to interpret the fragmented English in your post and respond to it:

1) The point of the "stay out of others' affairs" thing is that the terrorists would still want to kill us. How hard is that to understand? They're not after us because we interfered with something. They're after us because they think they're on a sacred mission to eliminate the West. We can either kill them all, or appease them by killing ourselves. Take your pick.

2) I don't understand how asking what the U.S. should do is relevant to dealing with terrorists who are willing to knock down buildings because they disagree with us.

3) So you admit that we have to deal with the threat, but you still think we should "stay out of others' affairs?" That's some doubleplusgood thinking there.

And as to your other point:

Maybe terrorists cannot be reasoned with. Fine. But they also cannot be eliminated. Where is a cause, there will be recruits. Better think about Plan B.

Plan B is to make them realize that if they threaten us, they will die. Maybe there will be less people willing to become terrorists if they know that they might not even live long enough to blow themselves up.

Appeasement doesn't work. Study a bit of history if you don't believe that.

[jack]

The American media whines about the freedom of information and then edits everything to their liberal agendas. I want to see the reality of these scumbag terrorists and what they did to 3,000 in WTC and the beheading of that poor man Mr. Nick Berg and everything associated with terrorism; UNEDITED!!! Every day as a reminder!!! That's right, heads coming off, Americans jumping from WTC 90th floor to their deaths, etc.. and see the reality of what terrorists have done to us already.

We see over and over again on the media when the American soldiers strip down (like US prisons do every day) a terrorist scumbag trying to kill Americans and they make a big deal of it. Screw those scumbags and screw the liberal media that exploits Americans for their liberal agenda.

[DD]

I just watched the video twice. I have been a Christian since I was a young boy. Christ instucts to love those that hate you. I don't know how to do that here. He did it from the cross; but I can't even do it from this keyboard. Nick's dad... he must be a mess; never mind his poor mother.

My comfort here strangely comes from what I know of the Old Testament. God's people don't lose. I know we are God's people - for we accept His Son as the Christ. Call me a religous fanatic or whatever; but this is a religous war whether we like it or not. It has nothing to do with oil, democracy or WMD. If our way of life is to continue it will be distinctly Christian as has been the case since the founding fathers inked the Constitution.

Hate is what I feel right now - but that makes me like those murdering muslims that did this. I pray God's comfort to Nick's family. I pray God's vengeance on his killers. I pray American people will see that the greatest power we have is not found in bullets, planes, troops, or government - but in knowing, loving, and following God's true, only begotton Son - Jesus Christ.

[Rick]

I think it's time to remove all followers of Islam from our country. It's also time to start getting rid of (killing) all useful idiots (liberals) starting with the elected on down to the members of the Million Mom March!

[BL]

A wise man once said "There is no peace for the wicked" Read that and be warned...

[Joe]

Saw the pictures and it was enough. My reaction? Completely ENRAGED! Amidst my nuclear meltdown in anger, my heart goes out to Nick and his family. I can't imagine what his mother must be going through right now. What they've done to nick is so inhumanely horrendous, so atrocious, so overwhelmingly unbelivable that I can't believe these Islamic terrorist bastards are part of the human race. War is never a pretty solution. But, to take the life of an innocent so atrociously and then to revel in the partaking of the horrendous inhuman act is pure EVIL. The only thing these FUCKING BASTARDS understand is terror, so why doesn't our government mete it out to them with EXTREME PREJUDICE and wipe out every last FUCKING sebastion of fundamental Islam and its extremists? Fuck these BASTARDS from Hell. God may have mercy on them, but we're definitely NOT God.

[mike]

I just watched the video. I had been wrestling with it, kinda of not wanting to know, but also feeling I needed to see it. It made me sick to think that humans could do such terrible things and take delight in it... Screaming out the glory of your 'god' while savagely butchering an innocent. If that's what their god truly wants then i'm afraid there isn't enough room on the earth for civilized people and Islamic Jihadists. Frankly, I'm not too convinced that the majority of Muslims disagree with this type of behavior. Sad. I'm a forgiver by nature but my heart just hardened, as I'm sure many have over the last few days.

[elaine]

this is so sad we need to stand up to are GOV. and take charge and do something about this. this make's nude picture's look like a walk in the park we wouldn't have to worry about any one being killed if we sent our troops home. how could they care about an American life if they don't respect themselves and they show how much respect they have for themselves every time they strap a bomb on there bodies and even kill there own race how stupid do we need to be BUSH send are guys & girls home stop this maddens

[rbb]

[1) The point of the "stay out of others' affairs" thing is that the terrorists would still want to kill us. How hard is that to understand? They're not after us because we interfered with something. They're after us because they think they're on a sacred mission to eliminate the West. We can either kill them all, or appease them by killing ourselves. Take your pick.]

Eliminate the west? I think not. Some may say so but there are people in the US who would even want to nuke everybody else. So what. But even suppose you are right, then ask, why do even those few want to eliminate the West? Never heard of eliminating the East, or eliminating Africa. Hmm... Wonder why. Might it have something to do with West's subjugation of the whole area under previously colonial and now political and economic control? Might it have something to do with this neocolonial adventure called Iraq? Hmm...

I assure you even Jihadists do not have such good spirits to go stir up enemies where there are none. Just answer me why they say they want to "eliminate the West" if you are so well versed in Jihadist ideology.

[2) I don't understand how asking what the U.S. should do is relevant to dealing with terrorists who are willing to knock down buildings because they disagree with us.]

Because of something called a standard, because you obviously don't think you are a hypocrite. You accept how the US deals with disagreements for, must be some good reason. Then apply the same reason to another case should be easy for you.

[3) So you admit that we have to deal with the threat, but you still think we should "stay out of others' affairs?" That's some doubleplusgood thinking there.]

Minding one's own business is the best way to deal with risks incurred by not doing so. It is quadrupleplusgood thinking if you ever learn it.

[Plan B is to make them realize that if they threaten us, they will die. Maybe there will be less people willing to become terrorists if they know that they might not even live long enough to blow themselves up.]

So now you want to find every potential terrorist? I thought this "War on Terror" is already long enough at eternity (f***, how can terror be defeated? it's a concept.) Now you claim you can read minds of what people want to blow themselves up. I am speechless. Or might you just blow them all up? Is that how it ought to work?

[Appeasement doesn't work. Study a bit of history if you don't believe that.]

So, not blowing people up is equal to appeasement now? What black and white cowdung you've inherited from dear leader.

The American tactics are only "humane" because it uses more advanced weapons to kill... So a beheading means those people are subhuman. You probably don't think dropping a bomb on innocent civilians means anything though. So it is the method of killing that makes the difference. I am sure the Jihadists will learn fast about that....

[tallglassofmilk]

rb - You still fail to provide a viable alternative to the way we are alredy handling things. Please go ahead anytime...

Your ignorance of the motivations of radical Islamic terrorists is astounding and your desire to still defend them shameful. I'm afraid the REAL adacemics you've been learning from have failed you miserably.

Quesiton for you... If you think that the terrorists should be left alone to do what they do. Logic would only dictate that you also think we should be left alone to do what we do. What then exactly, in your flawed way of thinking, is your problem with what we are doing?

One thing I might actually agree with you on is this...

[It's always been the same unsafe world. Except that people in the US finally has come to (or is forced to) realize this. Deal with that.]

Perhaps. But in any case, it's ON now. Time to play cowboys and muslim terrorists. Deal with that.

[tallglassofmilk]

Reminder, as always, Drink this... requires valid email or blog addresses on comments. I have left the the latest entries from rb a.k.a. rbb for continuity's sake since there were already responses. Any future comments which use bogus emails will be deleted.

[BL]

I was absolutely ENRAGED when I saw this video footage of this innocent American's life being taken in such a sadistic nature. Truly this is not a justifiable act no matter what those bastards say. Bush apologized for what our soldiers did with their prisoners. DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET AN APOLOGY FROM THEM?! I don't think so. It's time to reunite our nation go over there, KICK ASS AND TAKE NAMES! It doesn't surprise me that they could do something like this because some people are just pure EVIL. There will be no forgiving about this action. God may forgive them, but I am NOT God. It's time to go and "Justify" their action. I, as an American, would fight them to the last man with no remorse, beheading everyone of those FUCKERS! That made a HUGE statement as to what kind of so called "people" they are. For Nick's life, God Bless his soul, we will take 20 of their COWARDICE MURDERING BARBARIANS LIVES! I as an American am ready to fight fire with fire and everyone else should be right with me!

[Chris]

You folks do realize that appx 80-90% of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were innocent? That this abuse and torture has been going on there since November? That similar situations are occurring in other US "prisons" in Iraq and Afghanistan? That this act by Al Qaeda isn't a response to the abuse, but to the fact that the US would not negotiate the release of hostages in Abu Ghraib.

I'm not outraged by this, I'm sickened. You all are outraged by this, but we've killed thousands of innocent Iraqi's in our war.

A war unrelated to terrorism, until now. We're the ones who invaded Iraq, and now we are paying the price.

Apparently, your hearts only go out to people if they are Americans. Pathetic.

[TJ Thompson]

It's sad that I can look on this board after watching what those piles of feces did to Nick Berg and still find people who defend their actions. Ok, the prison scandel sucks. But, our military discovered it way back in January, brought it to attention, and began the steps necessary to deal with it. It was being taken care of. It still is, only it got a tad harder when every liberal bleeding heart sympathizer got hold of the issue. I believe in Freedom and thus I believe those pieces of trash have the freedom to die a slow, horrible death. I believe in the freedome of the terrorist sympathizers on this board to run to Iraq...go on, just run on over there...and discuss their bleeding hearts with those terrorists. Maybe you'll get lucky and be left with a head so you can come tell us alllll about it. Geesh.

[be]

i just watched the video and to tell you the truth,
as disturbing as it is, i find the psychological, physical and sexual abuses of abu ghraib to be more offensive than this execution. he (berg) was made a hero by this, a martyr, all the iraqi's from abu ghraib got from their torture was humiliation and scorn. the video testifies to the terrorists agenda , that they will stop at nothing to keep coalition forces out of "their" affairs. too bad about abu ghraib, it is a real can of worms. bushs lame apology does nothing and lack sincerity (one should never need to be asked for an apology)we are in too deep.

[TJ]

People so often state that we (the US) should not meddle in other nations affairs. They think we should turn our eyes away from what it going on in this world. I suppose if we'd done that during Hitler's rise to power we'd all be speaking German right now. We could ignore what So-damn-insane was doing in Iraq, but there's a few million people over there that are glad we didn't.
I don't know what to tell these people who just want to blame us for everything. People like rb and chris are probably the same type of people who would crawl under their covers and ignore some guy beating his wife to death upstairs. They'd probably see a man abusing his child and decide right there the man probably has a lot of stress in his life and maybe just needs to be talked to. The point is...if you see a wrong, you interfere. You meddle. You try to fix the situation.
Bin Laden, al-Queda, Saddam hussein, the idiots of Faluja, hamas, the palestinians, the radical islamists....These are all wrongs and it is our moral duty to help rid the world of these wrongs. We just haven't meddled enough yet.

[gwynnen]

"Apparently, your hearts only go out to people if they are Americans. Pathetic."

My heart goes out to the victims and their families of..................

The attack on the U.S.S. Cole

The PanAm 103 bombing over Lockerbie Scotland

Saddam Hussein & sons regime

The bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut Lebanon

The first U.S. Trade center bombing

The bombing of the Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia

The bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

The bombing of the Historic synagogue in Tunisia

The bombings in Karachi, Pakistan

The nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia

The bombings in Casablanca, Morocco

The bombing at the Marriott in Jakarta, Indonesia

The bombings at the synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey

The bombings in Madrid, Spain

The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

The LaBelle disco bombing Berlin, Germany

The Rhein-Main airbase bombing Frankfurt, Germany

The hijacking of TWA flight 847

The hijacking of Egyptair 648

The hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruise liner

The bombing of the U.S. Embassy Annex Kuwait City, Kuwait

The U.S. Embassy bombings in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

The U.S. Embassy takeover Tehran, Iran

The kidnapping of 18 Americans, Lebanon

The bombing of TWA flight 840 Athens, Greece

The grenade and gun massacres at the airports in Rome, Italy and Vienna, Austria

I could go on for a long time. These are but a few in the long list of terrorist activity around the world. In some cases they were directed at Americans, but even then, such as the U.S. Embassys, there were probably local nationals working there as well.

Terrorism knows no bounds. Terrorists operate on an "eye for an eye" philosophy with their "revenge" extracting a much greater toll than what they are taking revenge on. The gruesome beheadings of Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg are just 2 examples of that.

And just in case you don't remember, there were people from all over the world in the Trade Towers and the planes who died. Not just Americans.

[GeckoX]

tallglassofmilk, saw that you visited my blog last night and thought I would check yours out. There sure are a lot of different arguments going on here. I do not wish to start another, I just ask that you look at another possibility than no one has even mentioned here. Lets think rationally, using our minds not our hearts. It is easy to feel rage toward the people that did the killing, but understanding why they did it and who set it up is much more important. This man was held by Military Intelligence for 13 days! No lawyer, no phone calls, and as of late no explanation of why. Within 24 hours of his release he is being beheaded by al-Qaida. Doesn't anyone else smell something fishy here? Not to mention all of this coming on the heels of the Abu Ghraib torture photos. This is an all too common tactic. Problem, reaction, solution. Rather than go on and on in this comments section I ask you all to research this issue yourselves. You can start with the post I wrote in my blog last night and contnue using the links in the right hand typelist. Take nothing I say as the truth. Examine the available information and revelations will follow.

I just wanted to make one other point. Why when Saddam tortures is it BAD, but when we do it it's GOOD? Regardless of the motive, the same action is soliciting two very different responses. This is classic Orwellian double think! Check yourselves!

[Bob]

Sadly, these "humans" are everywhere, not just the middle east. They will not be happy until you, your family and your dog meet with the same fate as Mr. Berg. I don't claim to be a prophet, but don't blow your load of anger right now. This I'm sure is the first of what will be unfortunately many of the same. They're just getting started folks. Is it me, or is there others that see the end of mankind as we know it?

[KTMF]

It utterly baffles me how pacifists and appeasers who portray themselves as liberal or academically advanced people can view this and find anything that is defensible about the actions of these animals. It has nothing to do with us being in their country. The leader of this group is not even Iraqi. It has everything to do with a mindset of radicalism within a religious body much the same as the anti-abortionists can justify killing Doctors. These people have their goals set on killing all the (infidels) that don't prescribe to their thoughts or beliefs. These people can NOT be negotiated with. Their goal is to erradicate Western Society that is non Muslim. What would you negotiate with these people instead of a complete irradication 50%? The only negotiations these people understand is a grain on lead hurled at them at 3200 ft/sec. The United States has a goal and most Iraqis share that goal, even the ones the liberal media interviewed and showed on television agree. Our methods may not be perfect, BUT they are much better than these animals use. They should be hunted down and publically executed in a manor similar to the ones they use. Perhaps then the fear of death in a humiliating public way might overcome their fanaticism.

[Cavallino Rampante]

it's funny how rb uses the old "well you kill em with bombs" defense. difference here homeboy, we aren't TRYING to kill innocent civilians. those backwards cocksuckers and their antiquated religion can't get along long enough to form a government that could buy an M16, much less a clusterbomb.

you can't argue history. open your book sometime and try to find all the peaceful and progressive societies that Islam has produced....

[Mary]

There is evil in this world. It rears it's head in the form of serial killers, sadists, child abusers and terrorists(murderors). It serves only one purpose and it can be delt with only one way. Pure evil (the killer)gathers ignorant followers (assistants) to spread it's self-serving, warped justicification to murder in the name of God.

[Mark Hosea]

Let's get down to the bottom line. It's either going to be them or us. I would prefer it be us.

[gary]

It appears that I'm not as smart as the rest of you, so I'll ask questions rather than make highly educated statements.Why is the US bound by the "Geneva Convention" but no one else seems to be? How long before we see sandflea(muslim)heads in the US start rolling in retalliation?

[Lucas]

Elaines post:
“The American tactics are only "humane" because it uses more advanced weapons to kill... So a beheading means those people are subhuman. You probably don't think dropping a bomb on innocent civilians means anything though. So it is the method of killing that makes the difference. I am sure the Jihadists will learn fast about that....”

I suppose your vast military background (personally, I only served 6 years) allows you to insinuate that the US deliberately drops bombs on innocent civilians. To say that civilians won’t become casualties in war is incredibly naive. We use technology to minimize the unfortunate deaths of civilians.

“neocolonial adventure” – your intelligence and insight are truly staggering.

Taken as a whole, your post comes close to sounding like you support the “punishment” dealt to Mr. Berg.

“Never heard of eliminating the East, or eliminating Africa.” – Africa or the East never took a stand to help defend Israel. They can’t even feed themselves, much less take action against groups of nations wanting to overrun one and exterminate its citizens. Do you see anything wrong with that scenario?

Elaine, I will gladly start a charity drive to buy you a one way ticket to Iraq where you can show your love for those you probably call poor, opprossed souls (most of us refer to them as terrorists). Before they murder you because of your beliefs/nationality, you can tell them what a bunch of murdering bastards the Americans are.

[tallglassofmilk]

Previous comment deleted due to bogus email address...

[jack]

well the proof is in the pooding - scum floats to the top and muslims r scum and evil .Berg was not a soldier and was working in in iraq for pay of course but not to kill people. Now out militery is wrong for mistreating the muslim scum but didnt behead them. U tell me if they should be considered human. a rose is a rose by any other name I will not forget that.God Bless Berg and hope the beheaders sleep good tonite.Prase allah and praise the usa

[Azeez]

If you're wondering why people are pissed off at us read this.
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May 10, 2004

The Israeli Torture Template
Rape, Feces and Urine-Dipped Cloth Sacks
By WAYNE MADSEN

With mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, one only needs to examine the record of abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israel to understand what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meant, when referring to new, yet to be released photos and videos, he said, "if these images are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse."

According to a political appointee within the Bush administration and U.S. intelligence sources, the interrogators at Abu Ghraib included a number of Arabic-speaking Israelis who also helped U.S. interrogators develop the "R2I" (Resistance to Interrogation) techniques. Many of the torture methods were developed by the Israelis over many years of interrogating Arab prisoners on the occupied West Bank and in Israel itself.

Clues about worse photos and videos of abuse may be found in Israeli files about similar abuse of Palestinian and other Arab prisoners. In March 2000, a lawyer for a Lebanese prisoner kidnapped in 1994 by the Israelis in Lebanon claimed that his client had been subjected to torture, including rape. The type of compensation offered by Rumsfeld in his testimony has its roots in cases of Israeli torture of Arabs. In the case of the Lebanese man, said to have been raped by his Israeli captors, his lawyer demanded compensation of $1.47 million. The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel documented the types of torture meted out on Arab prisoners. Many of the tactics coincide with those contained in the Taguba report: beatings and prolonged periods handcuffed to furniture. In an article in the December 1998 issue of The Progressive, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb reported on the treatment given to a 23-year old Palestinian held on "administrative detention." The prisoner was "cuffed behind a chair 17 hours a day for 120 days . . . [he] had his head covered with a sack, which was often dipped in urine or feces. Guards played loud music right next to his ears and frequently taunted him with threats of physical and sexual violence." If additional photos and videos document such practices, the Bush administration and the American people have, indeed, "seen nothing yet."

Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence services, it is noteworthy that one, John Israel, who was identified in the report as being employed by both CACI International of Arlington, Virginia, and Titan, Inc., of San Diego, may not have even been a U.S. citizen. The Taguba report states that Israel did not have a security clearance, a requirement for employment as an interrogator for CACI. According to CACI's web site, "a Top Secret Clearance (TS) that is current and US citizenship" are required for CACI interrogators working in Iraq. In addition, CACI requires that its interrogators "have at least two years experience as a military policeman or similar type of law enforcement/intelligence agency whereby the individual utilized interviewing techniques."

Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. Because U.S. citizenship and documentation thereof are requirements for a U.S. security clearance, Israeli citizens would not be permitted to hold a Top Secret clearance. However, dual U.S.-Israeli citizens could have satisfied Pentagon requirements that interrogators hold U.S. citizenship and a Top Secret clearance. Although the Taguba report refers twice to Israel as an employee of Titan, the company claims he is one of their sub-contractors. CACI stated that one of the men listed in the report "is not and never has been a CACI employee" without providing more detail. A U.S. intelligence source revealed that in the world of intelligence "carve out" subcontracts such confusion is often the case with "plausible deniability" being a foremost concern.

In fact, the Taguba report does reference the presence of non-U.S. and non-Iraqi interrogators at Abu Ghraib. The report states, "In general, US civilian contract personnel (Titan Corporation, CACI, etc), third country nationals, and local contractors do not appear to be properly supervised within the detention facility at Abu Ghraib."

The Pentagon is clearly concerned about the outing of the Taguba report and its references to CACI, Titan, and third country nationals, which could permanently damage U.S. relations with Arab and Islamic nations. The Pentagon's angst may explain why the Taguba report is classified Secret No Foreign Dissemination.

The leak of the Taguba report was so radioactive, Daniel R. Dunn, the Information Assurance Officer for Douglas Feith's Office of the Under Secretary of Defense, Policy (Policy Automation Services Security Team), sent a May 6, 2004, For Official Use Only Urgent E-mail to Pentagon staffers stating, "THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS REPORT IS CLASSIFIED; DO NOT GO TO FOX NEWS TO READ OR OBTAIN A COPY." Considering Feith's close ties to the Israelis, such a reaction by his top computer security officer, a Certified Information System Security Professional (CISSP), is understandable, although considering the fact that CISSPs are to act on behalf of the public good, it is also regrettable..

The reference to "third country nationals" in a report that restricts its dissemination to U.S. coalition partners (Great Britain, Poland, Italy, etc.) is another indication of the possible involvement of Israelis in the interrogation of Iraqi prisoners. Knowledge that the U.S. may have been using Israeli interrogators could have severely fractured the Bush administration's tenuous "coalition of the willing' in Iraq. General Taguba's findings were transmitted to the Coalition Forces Land Component Command on March 9, 2004, just six days before the Spanish general election, one that the opposition anti-Iraq war Socialists won. The Spanish ultimately withdrew their forces from Iraq.

During his testimony before the Senate Armed Service Committee, Rumsfeld was pressed upon by Senator John McCain about the role of the private contractors in the interrogations and abuse. McCain asked Rumsfeld four pertinent questions, ". . . who was in charge? What agency or private contractor was in charge of the interrogations? Did they have authority over the guards? And what were the instructions that they gave to the guards?"

When Rumsfeld had problems answering McCain's question, Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Central Command, said there were 37 contract interrogators used in Abu Ghraib. The two named contractors, CACI and Titan, have close ties to the Israeli military and technology communities. Last January 14, after Provost Marshal General of the Army, Major General Donald Ryder, had already uncovered abuse at Abu Ghraib, CACI's President and CEO, Dr. J.P. (Jack) London was receiving the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah's Albert Einstein Technology award at the Jerusalem City Hall, with right-wing Likud politician Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and ultra-Orthodox United Torah Judaism party Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in attendance. Oddly, CACI waited until February 2 to publicly announce the award in a press release. CACI has also received grants from U.S.-Israeli bi-national foundations.

Titan also has had close connections to Israeli interests. After his stint as CIA Director, James Woolsey served as a Titan director. Woolsey is an architect of America's Iraq policy and the chief proponent of and lobbyist for Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. An adviser to the neo-conservative Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs, Project for the New American Century, Center for Security Policy, Freedom House, and Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, Woolsey is close to Stephen Cambone, the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a key person in the chain of command who would have not only known about the torture tactics used by U.S. and Israeli interrogators in Iraq but who would have also approved them. Cambone was associated with the Project for the New American Century and is viewed as a member of Rumsfeld's neo-conservative "cabal" within the Pentagon.

Another person considered by Pentagon insiders to have been knowledgeable about the treatment of Iraqi prisoners is U.S. Army Col. Steven Bucci, a Green Beret and Rumsfeld's military assistant and chief traffic cop for the information flow to the Defense Secretary. According to Pentagon insiders, Bucci was involved in the direction of a special covert operations unit composed of former U.S. special operations personnel who answered to the Pentagon rather than the CIA's Special Activities Division, the agency's own paramilitary group. The Pentagon group included Arabic linguists and former members of the Green Berets and Delta Force who operated covertly in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Uzbekistan. Titan also uses linguists trained in the languages (Arabic, Dari, Farsi, Pashto, Urdu, and Tajik) of those same countries. It is not known if a link exists between Rumsfeld's covert operations unit and Titan's covert operations linguists.

Another Titan employee named in the Taguba report is Adel L. Nakhla. Nakhla is a name common among Egypt's Coptic Christian community, however, it is not known if Adel Nakhla is either an Egyptian-American or a national of Egypt. A CACI employee identified in the report, Steven Stephanowicz, is referred to as "Stefanowicz" in a number of articles on the prison abuse. Stefanowicz is the spelling used by Joe Ryan, another CACI employee assigned with Stefanowicz to Abu Ghraib. Ryan is a radio personality on KSTP, a conservative radio station in Minneapolis, who maintained a daily log of his activities in Iraq on the radio's web site before it was taken down. Ryan indicated that Stefanowicz (or Stephanowicz) continued to hold his interrogation job in Iraq even though General Taguba recommended he lose his security clearance and be terminated for the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

In an even more bizarre twist, the Philadelphia Daily News identified a former expatriate public relations specialist for the government of South Australia in Adelaide named Steve Stefanowicz as possibly being the same person identified in the Taguba report. In 2000, Stefanowicz, who grew up in the Philadelphia and Allentown areas, left for Australia. On September 16, 2001, he was quoted by the Sunday Mail of Adelaide on the 911 attacks. He said of the attacks, "It was one of the most incredible and most devastating things I have ever seen. I have been in constant contact with my family and friends in the US and the mood was very solemn and quiet. But this is progressing into anger." Stefanowicz returned to the United States and volunteered for the Navy in a reserve status. His mother told the Allentown Morning Call in April 2002 that Stefanowicz was stationed somewhere in the Middle East but did not know where because of what Stefanowicz said was "security concerns." His mother told the Philadelphia Daily News that her son was in Iraq but she knew nothing about his current status.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates."

[Azeez]

I wanted to give another side to the story that neo-cons overlook. I am in no way condoning Nick's murder. He was an innocent person, AFAIK, who got caught up in this. May God give his family the patience to deal with this.

[tallglassofmilk]

The earliest thing cited in this article is from what 1994?

Newsflash: Muhammed preached "When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads" long enough ago that it made it into the Quran...

What's the first edition print date on that?

[gary]

So azeez,whats your point? How many camel jockeys were beheaded?

[mpm]

I have sympathy for the troubles in irag and the middle east,,i feel very sorry for the good people who only want this conflict resolved
iraqis, americans the world,,,but you have to draw the line,,,,man thats some fucked shit.......but how can we look at these people
in a humanitarian way?,,,,we give them all this
cash and what do they do,,,,bitch and complain
about how they can beat their wives,,,
I agree with the ignorance of americans,,me being
canadian i find myself more like americans everyday.......but its common knowledge that spare the rod spoil the child,,,,,,,,,so wtf,,,they expect this amazing treatment,,when they blow our shit up,,,,kill thousands of innocents?,.,,,,there has to be a line draw,,,and people need to stop[ bitching and accept it and deal with it,,,,,,,,,,,,how can iraqis expect us to treat them good,, when they drag civilians through the street praising what they have done,,,,,fight fire with fire...

thanks

[Zach]

You Ultra-Liberals are hipocrits, and its not about civil rights, you just HATE america, even teh american liberals. The media is all over photos of NAKED(not beheaded) iraqi prisoners, and now we have a video of an innocent american getting beheaded and those same liberals are no where to be found.

This just shows that you cant deal with the middle easterners in a normal, civilized fashion. They only understand death. You liberals think we can talk things out...but we live in the real world, not some happy utopia where everyone gets along.

You know how we can solve this problem? Kill all the middle easterners who oppose us. Too drastic? Well thats what they want to do to us. I've had enough of their shit, and the anti-american liberals who support these terrorist. I could care less if we abuse iraqi prisoners, hell i support abusing them after seeing this...

[Wilson]

I had to give my two cents. We are not a perfect people or a perfect country. Mistakes have been made before and after 9/11. Going back to the beginning of our country. I remember sitting, watching the TV on sept 12 and hoping to never see the day our useless politicians and the bleeding hearts would divide us again. There were no honking horns, fingers out the window, people held doors and smiled. For the first time in my short life (30 years) I saw a level of patriotism and love for this country I had only heard about before. Does anyone realize that something like over 70% of our nation's manufacturing and energies went to support the effort in WWII. And this is a meer 5% or something for this conflict. So whats my point? No matter what you feel, pro war anti war. Pro Bush anti Bush. This truly is a war bigger than anything else. In fact, this is bigger than all of them put together including the Civil War. We have become fat lazy self absorbed cattle with NO attention span. The biggest mistake the terrorist made was attacking us on 9/11. They severly miscalculated what we are capable of as a UNITED NATION. Rb and the other bleeding hearts, it has taken our nation 200+ years of turmoil and politcal debated to allow us to have the concerns we have, (child safety seats, AMBER alert, CIVIL RIGHTS, the path and discussion of gay marrage, the ability to not only be concerned but understand why tortured prisioners is a bad thing) and we expect these people to be where we are at in little over a year. They do not even know what they don't have. We are looking, at best, fifty years for Iraq to even be well on its way.
This is us versus them. We are the backbone, heart, and brain of this F...ed up world. Without us and our "horrible corporate giants" and countless other brave and forward thinking AMERICANS the world would be far worse if not over already. Again the exact number evades me, but over 50,000 men died on the beaches of Normandy alone. Millions of Jews died and if it was not for us, Hitler would of won. Now antisemitism still exist. Was WWII a waste of time. Our apethetic wine sipping lazy asses in Europe still cannot get anything right. We are the best. The best ever!!! We expect more becuase we can. Any American can be and do what he or she wants. And before I die I know we will have a female president, a black president, and maybe even a Hispanic president. It takes time. This battle is just starting. Worst things are surely to come. But once again we Americans are trying our best and as always, leading the way. If it is so awful here, leave. But then the question is , where would you go that is better? I will answer for you, no where. Lets work on somehow becoming united again before we need another wake up call, one I dread will be even worse. War sucks, death by bullets is worse and so hard to comprehend, at least for me. We did not ask for it, we were forced kicking and dragging into this one. No one would of supported a pre emptive strike on Afghanistan if 9/11 didn;t happen. WE would be right here even worse. Probably hearing stories about what a peaceful man Osama bin Laden was, aand how the imperialistic Americans robbed the Muslim world of a great hero. Fools. This has to happen. Islamic extremist are cowards. If they are so proud of what they do then why not show your faces. Cowards. They cannot fight our soldiers like real men, they have to bomb innocents and hide in holy sites. Al Satar or whatever thay pussy's name is, is a perfect example of this. And we still don;t blow up the mosque. Name me another country that would show that much self control. Personally, I say BLOW THE F...ING THING UP!!!! But I understand why we don;t. Stop fighting amongst ourselves, it is what they want.
Lets just be glad, F glad, lets be utterly thankful that we still have streets that people like Rb and the rest of the cooks have a place to protest. Lets be as brave as our ancestors and what they sacrificed and created that we are here today. I struggle to not hate muslims. We must be brothers with the brave muslims and Arabs that want chance. Even if there are only a handful, they are the Martin Luther Kings of there world and countries. We must help them. Learn to love this country. There is no better place in the world. DEATH TO ALL TERRORIST. You fools woke the sleeping lion of the west, and now you will feel what real American strength is all about. Thanks all, even rb!!

[wilson]

excuse my spelling and lack of exact numbers. I wanted to make a point. I am sure I will be attacked, I just wanted to let it flow. I LOVE THIS FUCKING COUNTRY!!! and guess what I don't have healthcare. I love all of you. And I surely love those brave men and women in uniform. I am sure we would all rather worry about britney spears and the latest hollywood garbage movie, but for now we MUST STAND TOGETHER! War is as senseless as death itself, a lot of the world has not figured that out yet. Previous to WWI there was a terrorist problem in the Phillipines. Muslim extremist were killing Christian missionaries. A US general rounded up 50 of the terrorists. He humiliated and then hung 49 of them. He left the last one to tell the story. Not another attack occured until sometime in the 1930's. Just some food for thought. Again excuse my lack of exact details, but if pressed I will find the information you need. They have no idea what we are capable of as a nation. Not only in war and destruction, but what we could help them to achieve for themselves. We have to stand united everyone. There will be plenty of time to disagree and debate later, or at least I hope. Wake up. Answers to real world problems do not exist in text books, class theory, or college campuses run by know nothing profs. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows how things should look, and how things really are. In theory communism sounds great, but in practice it is a total failure. Strive to understand the macrocosm we live in. I struggle to understand liberal thinking. And I was raised liberal. I question and study and constantly expand my understanding of things. I challenge everyone to do the same.

[Brad]

First of all I would like to express my deepest and most sincere condolences to the Berg family. You are in many people’s prayers. May Nick find peace with God in heaven.

Second, forget everything about justifying this terrible act by blaming it on the U.S. or any other western civilization. You are only helping the Muslims by doing this. By justifying their acts you are inadvertently helping the cause of Islam by dividing us, and making it harder for us to defend against their main objective. Which is, eradication. The Muslims rely on their prey’s inability to stand unified and to come to a staunch consensus for appropriate action.

We are only in the beginning of probably the last or next to the last phase of their goal for a global Islamic empire. We must stop them! If we do not do something to stop them in their tracks now, then we will only have ourselves to blame.

The only way to stop their insidious evil is to let them know that we will take any measure necessary to ensure our survival, and their demise.

Because every male Muslim is considered a soldier, this can only be accomplished if we mete out punishment to their civilian populations, which in this case are their women and children.

This punishment should be in the form of an initial attack with high yield nuclear weapons against major populations of Muslim society. Then we need a follow up barrage of tactical nukes to major groupings of survivors.

If we can annihilate 50 – 70 percent of their population with this strike for our survival, we may be able to convince the remainder to give up their pursuit of Islam. If we cannot convince them, then we need to annihilate them as well.

We are in a fight against Islam along side the rest of the Non-Muslim world. Many people do not realize that, and will protest it. We will ALL suffer if we let the liberals tie the rest of our hands behind our back.

I am sure that the U.S. can come to an agreement with Russia, China, and the rest of the Inter Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) capable countries to avert a WW III scenario, especially if the U.S. agrees to divide the resources of the annihilated Muslim countries among the willing participants.

Excellent link to articles about the goals of Islam, posted by Hindus who have been fighting the Muslims for the last thousand years:

http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/islammain.html

Brad.

[Daniel]

Look, an American soldier was slaughtered. They sawed his head off. Fuck anyone who can justify that. Who cares what we did, yes it was wrong, but to take a knife and saw off a head accomplishes nothing. Please can we have a little American Unity!? My prayers for Nick Berg

[doesn't matter]

regarding your berg article, coming from someone that doesn't see the torture and abuse that has come out of iraq (american military prisons)
as being as bad as it realy is and questioning to wheather or not certain geneva rules were broken depending on who you ask. and then continuing to make reference to war and its imperfect actions...

you idiot, has it not occured to you that oh ya your president never declared this as a war.......

America is an occupying force that did not agree with Saddam Huseins ways and torture of the iraqi people. that bad bad man.

So they go in and torture the american way, by making men give other men blow jobs, making dogs bite out chunks and peices of iraqi prisoners, most of whom, oh ya, happen to be innocent.....
probably why rumsfeld let many go today.

And then you blame the media for jepordizing the safety of americans all around the world.

i beleive that it is the stupid, ignorant nature of many americans that have made you targets.
and not to mention a foreign policy that is soaked in blood.

[doesn't matter]

O.k. Please forgive my spelling mistakes.
I had posted my thoughts with only having read the first few entries of this page.
I have now read the rest.
Why do i insult some americans?

Do not be confused.
many of your readers are calling those responsible for the unfortunate and unnecessary beheading of Berg as savages, that they are.
but what makes me laugh, and what helps me further understand the american people, is that these same readers and contributors of thought refer to all muslims as savages. many suggest using WMD
weapons of mass destruction such as nuclear weapons on certain areas of the world to kill these savages.
Is just the thought of that not savage....

oh wait, this is coming from people that live in the only country in the world that has ever used an atomic bomb on another country (Japan) TWICE...

And for those that beleive that america saved the world from Hitler, You should instead think that if certain americans weren't busy financing the Nazi regime, such as Preston Bush, your president's grandfather. then maybe, you would have entered sooner rather than having so many jews systematicaly killed. Got your attention.

Question for America,
How many americans and american soldiers beleived and continue to beleive that Saddam Hussein's iraq had something to do with 9/11.
Answer is MANY
that makes me laugh, but does not shock and awe me....

Why invade Iraq and not Saudi Arabia, when 88% of all 9/11 suicide highjakers came from Saudi.

For americas sake, i hope that it truly was fundamentalists that killed Berg and not your ...

People wake the fuck up, no one wants to die, unless they feel that it is the last resort.
your children continue to die in iraq, and for what. Is this truly Freedom Iraq, do the people of iraq seem joyfully happy having been freed and liberated from the evil Saddam. Or do we see resentment towards the occupying american FORCE.
You haven't done anyone any favors, You have however, once again killed thousands of innocent civilians, oh ya wait, how do you call it collateral damage or something like that.
Fuck, you probably used even more radioactive depleted uranium shells, so that you can continue to poison these people for the next 20 years.

I must applaud you however on doing a great job securing and exploiting the oil. must have started pumping it out on the first day of invasion.
I wonder how much you have stock piled by now.
People of iraq, you must not destroy your oil fields, this belongs to AMERICA.

There is a reason to why the World said no to this invasion. And i am not refering to the bought support such as 14 billion dollars infused into the Polish economy by america,for example.\

Your president declared a war on terrorism.
Yet today, there are thousands more fundamentalists that are willing to give their lives for their cause.

You ask how to stop terrorism, when you cannot even understand that it is actions such as this invasion that creates it.

[Pat]

O.k, this is a ranting site. Loved Dennis Miller, when I studied in the US, too. And the cowardly act of beheading Berg deserves outrage.
Two things however anger me:
a)tallglasofmilk: you constantly quote one passage out of the muslim's holy book where we can read what should happen to us infidels. And this is your proof, that Islam is violent and dangerous in its core. Apart from the fact, that there are many other readings in the Quran with peacefull lines about living together with Christians and Jews, that you totally disregard:when was the last time you read the bible, my faithfull friend? Want to include a few lines from old or new testament (your pick) where similiar things are written about non-christians? What is the proof of that. You ask others to check their history knowledge to understand the threat of Islam. What about Grenada in Spain and other such places, where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived for a century in total harmony before we Christians screwed it up. There ar about as many samples of agressive Islamic behaviour in history as their are for Christian behaviour. Why does Bush not understand the implication of his words to the Arabic World, when he constantly talks about "crussade"? That is the time, when we Christians were doing the terror.... So, back up of the Muslims and Islamic faith as the source of all evil. Lets regard the terrorists as what they are: fanatics, who us any excuse, even faith, to kill, torture and maim other people not willing to accept their goals. How many women have been similarly killed like Berg in Algery by militant terrorists who are fought by Islamic military and government.
b) Brad: nuke'm? What a great concept!Unfortunately the fall out would make large parts of the world a live-less dessert, including major parts of Europe. Due to this fact, economy would crumble world wide and not much would be left of the US daily live. Where would you get your oil from, if the major producers of the oil the American nation wastes more than any other nation in the world, are turned into simmering rubble? Are you even aware, that you talk about more than a billion of people you want to destroy by 50-70 %. Are you going to bomb Indonesia too? And Pakistan, how about Egypt, Tunesia or Turkey (and Nato-Alley with a high percentage of muslim population)? I have read some stupid shit im some of discussion here and at Wizbang, but this is really the crown of stupidity!

But than again it is a ranting side and most of you guys will probably not go voting anyway and will never ever hold public office, so, keep on ranting!

[tallglassofmilk]

Hey, howareyou? a) what blog are you reading? constantly quoting passages fromthe Quran? Not me, 375 posts here and one verse of the Quran. (which was actually posted by a Muslim and I just linked to it). What's your definition of constant? If you're gonna rant at me at least know what you're ranting about.

Here's some more info on the teachings of the Quran (from the Hindus--not the Christians which you despise so) who historically have more experience with the terrorists that anyone here (thanks for the link Brad):

http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/alloutwar.html

Shall we play a game?

While we are willing content to live peacefully in the world, taking a much welcomed leadership role, trade with other countries, buy their oil and other goods, export money, aid and jobs to them, and on and on, the Islamic terrorists and followers insist on global domination.

Think it can't happen here? Get a clue people! Islamic terrorists have already infiltrated our education system and are teaching as professors at our Universities. (Check the staff at University of Western Illinois in the heart of our country).

All you Americans ranting in favor of the enemy here ready to convert to Islam or be ruled by Dhimmitude? Regardless of anything that's happened in the past, these are the choices we face now unless we stand up for democracy around the world.

[Cavallino Rampante]

"Look, an American soldier was slaughtered."

wasn't a soldier dude. civilian contractor there, by himself, on his own recognizance.

doesn't justify it, but if he was a soldier, baghdad would be dresden pt. 2 about now. almost makes me wish it was, i want to see pain and suffering. a lot of it.

[Lino Jennings]

I Believe that this was a very disturbing video, i have seen it and it had me over my head in distress

[TJ]

Ok...now we know which people on this forum are intelligent, well spoken Americans, and we know who should be sent to Iraq where they obviously would fit right in. Their views are anti-american. Their thoughts are obviously for the terrorists. I say send them and let them have a ball for as long as they are allowed to live.

Now then...on a related topic...Does anyone else here think that maybe the terrorist scum beheaded the wrong Berg? I'm kind of wishing it had been Nick Berg's father that was there instead of him. Have you heard the crap this guy has been spouting? Once again it's all Bush's fault, even though Nick Berg believed in the war and why we were there. It's Bush's fault even though Nick Berg was warned to get out of Iraq...even offered passage out of Iraq. Nick Berg's father is an idiot. His son's body wasn't even cold before the father started spouting politics. I think what Michael Berg is doing to his son's memory is as bad as what the terrorists did to his son's body. Jerk.

[Cavallino Rampante]

"I Believe that this was a very disturbing video, i have seen it and it had me over my head in distress"

joke all you want. karma is a mutherfucker.

[Enough Already]

I'm glad I saw the video. It brought back the sickening detest I have for these subhumans. All the, "Idealism" of the left goes out the window when distorted groups do this crap.
We can't Nuke them or use Chemical or Biological weopons and we CERTAINLY can't change their ideology. We can't stop them from HATING. That's their way of dealing with the world. I think the way we have to fight them is to take all their Money!!!! Systematically take one country at a time and do what we have with Iraq. These Shieks are the ones giving terrorists $$. We should control all the oil, hence all the money. Then as fast as possible convert the worlds energy to electrical and magnetic. The tecnology does exist. We americans are capable of dramatic and extrordinary things. We just have to WANT to. Remember, we went from Horse buggies to Jets in 50 yrs. We went from Computers the size of buildings to a laptop in 50 yrs. It is not beyond us. We could get off this cycle of fossil fuel,( which puts money in the hands of cavemen), and move ahead with humanity. We need to leave these old religions and ideologies behind. They were invented by POWERHUNGRY CONTROL FREAKS who wanted to elevate themselves to GODlike status by brainwashing the masses.....so they could obtain more control. All this B.S. is about control. I can't help but wonder how much invention and has been stamped out by these freaks over the oast 5000 yrs.

[Pat]

Hey tallgalssofmilk: I give you that, I have run through so many different blogs, that I may see things now double and tripple where they are not. However, this quotation - no bit longer and more complete on your front page - has made it to so many different blogs that I may have had the idea it was your blog running it a numbe of times.
Anyway: you totaly avoid my arguments of similiar phrases in the Bible. Anyone could quote of it and pronounce us Christian (yes, I am a Christian and a Churchgoer and a true believer - but that does not make me blind to the wrongs that have been done in the name of the Lord), so you probably just feel happy that you have found one pont that lets you point the finger at some billion people believeing in a very different religion for the wrong reasons. When the Vatican declared today that it warns against Christian-Islamic marriage, because the women are treated often badly in this marriages,there is a point, because even more modern Islamists are still looking at women the way Christians did some 100 or 150 years ago.

Quoting some Hindupage does not prove much of a point, my dear, because there are fanatic Hindus just as therer are fanatic Moslems - and the fight is more often over land and power than over faith. And you, having been to college, university and even Harvard extension school should ´know that.

If you check the homepage of Harvard KSG (oh no, they are liberals, you want read that, will you), you can find a very nice quote from this years nobel laureate, a woman and a muslim and some pendant to Martin Luther King in the Islamic world if there ever was one: you can not force democracy with weapons on someone! This attempt is about to miserably fail and leave democratic freedom with a bad image in those countries that need it most. And as to the "much welcomed leadership role": you are right, it was much welcomed, but your just about loosing it and typically than the US will return to spledid isolation and the world will be worse for it.

Until now Europe is still too much divided and quarreling among each other to step in, but maybe it is time for that. The US seem to need a counterweight again.

Cheerio, tallglassofmilk, while you do not like what I write and think and I do not like what you write think, it is great that you provide the opportunity for exchange and, to quote Voltaire: I totally oppose what you are saying but I would give my live for your ability to say it (or so it says, did not find the right quote so fast...)

Finally and to make your prejudices coming true: I am a harvard grad, HLS and KSG, however, I am a member of the conservative party in Germany, former member of parliament and active entrepreneur (machines for woodworking) -so somehow not your average "liberal" weirdo.

Hope for a reply,
Pat

[TJ]

WTF...yes, America must be a really bad country to want to help the only democratic and free society over there. One little nation surrounded by enemies that come over and blow up their women and children. What totally moral people those palestinians are. The only area in which the US errs is in that we should be giving Israel more than money. We should be giving them troops. We should be giving them weapons. We should be helping them push the palestinians a few hundred miles backwards.
In case you didn't realize, we also give just a ton of money to several of those surrounding nations. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I heard a radio host the other day saying we give egypt the same amount of money we give Israel.
Israel has offered everything to Palestine. Arrafat has turned it all down. Saying Israel should go back to where they were before they lost the war is like saying Americans should go back to where they were before the revolutionary war. It's stupid. Things are how they are. Wars are fought. People win and lose. You move on from that. Israel has tried, Palestine has not.
Here is how I view right and wrong...If you strap a bomb to your child and send him to blow himself up along with lots of other innocent women and children, then that is just evil and wrong. If you take an innocent man and cut his head off because you don't like what someone is doing, then that is evil and wrong. If you risk a presidency putting American lives in danger so that you can fight for a greater good, the freedom of millions of people from tyranny and torture, then that is a rightous and good thing.
All I can add is that all of you who feel like the terrorists, the radical islamists, etc. are just poor, oppressed people....I'd like to hear your opinions after you've spent a few hours with those folks. Maybe then you'd realize the only good radical and/or terrorist is one that's died a really horrible and painful death.

[tallglassofmilk]

TJ - that was a great response to WTF but I had to delete the comment to which you were replying due to his bogus email address.

[Cavallino Rampante]

While I don't share this perception, I think there is a reason why a lot of Americans lump all muslims together.

How often do you hear of a muslim leader denouncing all these acts? now, I must be fair, they have over the nick berg slaying, but the media doesn't show the everyday iraqi, it shows the iraqi's cheering for a lump of flesh swinging from a bridge.

blame the media, not the American people, we react to what we see. And what we saw were muslims cheering when the towers went down.

[tallglassofmilk]

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I was appalled to discover that websites like this existed--I was also saddened.

It is funny that many of the people on this site that claim to want to spread peace and democracy only speak of hate. This war that America is fighting is one based more on delusions than reality . . . and apparently many of you are delusional. Perhaps it is merely human nature to be so--many people have blindly followed leaders in the past--they will blindly follow them in the future--and it appears that many blindly follow now. Follow George Bush . . . as the Germans f